{"id":536,"date":"2012-01-27T00:43:00","date_gmt":"2012-01-27T06:43:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/peculiar-with-a-side-of-huh\/"},"modified":"2013-07-05T15:43:33","modified_gmt":"2013-07-05T20:43:33","slug":"peculiar-with-a-side-of-huh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/peculiar-with-a-side-of-huh\/","title":{"rendered":"Peculiar, With a Side of \u201cHuh?\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\" A few months back, I posted about finding the birth record for Margarethe Kremer<\/a>, my second great-grandmother.\u00a0 The record was found in FamilySearch\u2019s Luxembourg Civil Registrations record collection<\/a>.\u00a0 Periodically, over the last few months, I\u2019ve\u00a0 continued to review more of these records, working mainly on the line of Margarethe\u2019s husband Johann Schwatrz.\u00a0 Research was going well, even though I can\u2019t read German (or even French, which started to appear the further back I went).\u00a0 I can get the gist of the records since they follow a pre-printed register, and therefore, a (usually) predictable pattern.\u00a0 While I had much success with the Schwartz family (going back two more generations than previously known), I can\u2019t say the same for the Kremer side.\u00a0 To illustrate the research path I took and ultimately present my predicament, I will outline what I did, step by step.<\/p>\n

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  1. It all started with the information found on the marriage license for John Schwartz and Margarethe Kremer (Kane County, Illinois; 1888).\u00a0 Margarethe\u2019s parents were listed as John Kremer and Magdalena Terres, and her place of birth was \u201cKonsdorf,\u201d Luxembourg.\u00a0 This information, coupled with an alleged date of birth from Margarethe\u2019s death certificate (Kane County, Illinois; 1945), gave me a place to start while looking at the Luxembourg birth records.\u00a0 And there is was, in the right place, the same birth date, and the correct (sort of) parents.\u00a0 The birth record (Consdorf, 1866) listed the parents as Johann Kremer and Catharina<\/em> Terres.\u00a0 Well, I though, everything else is spot-on, so perhaps someone in one of the records goofed.<\/li>\n
  2. I continued looking though the birth records and found five more births in Consdorf (from 1857 to 1870), where the parents were listed as Johann Kremer and Catharina Terres.\u00a0 A marriage record (Consdorf, 1857) confirmed this union and listed their parents respectively as Franz Kremer and Catharina Muller, and Mathias Terres and Maria Sinnen.<\/li>\n
  3. I then began to search for the birth records for Johann Kremer and Catharina Terres.\u00a0 There are two possibilities for Johann, one in 1824 and one in 1829, both born to Franz Kremer and Catharina Muller (later research did not find a death for a Johann to these parents from 1824 to 1829 to suggest the reuse of the name due to death of an earlier child, so I\u2019m not really sure what\u2019s going on here\u2014but that\u2019s another mystery for another time).\u00a0 I noticed that there were never any records for the surname Terres and thought perhaps Catharina was from another location.\u00a0 I went back to their marriage record and realized that she was from the neighboring town of\u00a0 Rosport.\u00a0 So off to the birth records in that area.\u00a0 Starting in 1820, I found the birth of Catharina Terres in 1825, daughter of Mathias Terres and Maria Sinnen.\u00a0 Perfect!\u00a0 (I also realized, if I\u2019m reading the German and handwriting correctly, that their ages at marriage were 32 and 31, making the Johann born in 1824 the likely suspect.)<\/li>\n
  4. Eventually, I moved on to the death records for Consdorf, from 1821 to 1890.\u00a0 In 1860, I found the death of Catharina Terres (they record women with their maiden name), born in Rosport, daughter of Mathias Terres and Maria Sinnen.\u00a0 Not even thinking about it (note to self, don\u2019t do serious research when you\u2019re in a bad mood), I recorded the death in my database.\u00a0 This was yesterday.\u00a0 Today, with a slightly clearer head, I noticed that something didn\u2019t seem right.\u00a0 Catharina, who apparently died in 1860, had four more children between 1860 and 1870.\u00a0 Huh???<\/li>\n
  5. I\u2019ve gone back over the records several times and cannot figure out what happened here.\u00a0 Each of the children born between 1860 and 1870 all say Catharina \u201cTheres,\u201d which is a variant (especially when the surname never appears in this location, ever from what I can tell).\u00a0 Catharina\u2019s marriage record ties her to her birth record, both in turn seemingly connecting her to this death record.\u00a0 But what if I\u2019m reading the death record wrong?\u00a0 I can see the parents names, but I\u2019m having a hard time deciphering the rest of the record.\u00a0 In neighboring towns, if the female was married, they would list her parents, as well as her spouse (deceased or not).\u00a0 This record also contains the name Pierre Kremer, which may be the person who reported the death (if the death records follow the same pattern as the birth record).\u00a0 I\u2019m also having a hard time reading the age at death of Catharina.\u00a0 I don\u2019t get it.\u00a0 Name matches, parents are the same across all records, all three records indicate a birth in Rosport\u2026again, I say, \u201chuh?\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    To say I\u2019m confused would be an understatement.\u00a0 Perhaps I\u2019ve screwed up somewhere.\u00a0 Perhaps Mathias and Maria had two daughters names Catharina (odd, but you never know, there appear to be two Johanns in the Kremer family, with two more born in later years, with at least one of the previous, my ancestor, living).\u00a0 And remember, my second great-grandmother listed a completely different first name (Magdalena) for her mother when she applied for a marriage license.\u00a0 While all of the other records so far would indicate that her mother\u2019s name was Catharina, maybe the name Magdalena means something and is some sort of clue.\u00a0 Who knows.<\/p>\n

    At this point, my first step has got to be getting the 1860 death record for Catharine Terres translated.\u00a0 It\u2019s the only way I can know for sure (I hope) that they either are, or are not, the same person.\u00a0 If anyone wants to take a stab, I\u2019ve inserted the death record below, but a larger version can be viewed on the FamilySearch website by clicking here<\/a> (record no. 30, top left).\u00a0 Any help at this point would be welcomed!!<\/p>\n

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    A few months back, I posted about finding the birth record for Margarethe Kremer, my second great-grandmother.\u00a0 The record was found in FamilySearch\u2019s Luxembourg Civil Registrations record collection.\u00a0 Periodically, over the last few months, I\u2019ve\u00a0 continued to review more of these records, working mainly on […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[25,26],"tags":[319,334,336],"class_list":["post-536","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-genblog","category-personal-research","tag-family-kremer","tag-family-schwartz","tag-family-sinnen","cat-25-id","cat-26-id"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3HcLI-8E","jetpack-related-posts":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/536","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=536"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/536\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3220,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/536\/revisions\/3220"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=536"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=536"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/genealogy.julietarr.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=536"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}